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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds of cryptozoology

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waters as well as other dimensions it's

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time to take back the night last night

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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Begley and team

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sports hey bird seems mad and restless

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tonight seems to be all sorts of

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stomping coming from the pians

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I bet it's those damned chupacabras

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again all they want to do is suck blood

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blood day and night last week to get

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into the chicken coops that made a real

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bloody mess

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hmm well I'd really hate to get the

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shotgun out for the most part they were

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pretty spineless creatures aren't they

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any suggestions what we should do well I

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think we should ask one of our guests

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tonight Scott karelis he's been chasing

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them for years

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whoa whoa better ask him soon here comes

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a couple of them Coopers now I'm out of

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here

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Jesus let's go back to the studio Mike

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oh look at them I won't let them get you

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a threat well they got you yeah I guess

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I'm here alone I Tim are you alive now

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I'm okay yeah whatever yeah got a little

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drool on me here but I guess I'm okay

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yeah you know what what are you gonna do

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you know I I I swear those chupacabras

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are all over the place

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alas I I heard they were in Argentina oh

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really

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yeah yeah that's just a couple of days

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ago but we'll find out more about that

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what you tell us what we're gonna be

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getting ourselves in for tonight well

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we've got a couple of really fantastic

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guests tonight and you know we're going

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to be running the gambit here we'll be

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talking about two Cabras blood monsters

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things like that and then we're going to

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be also talking about oh you know what

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we'll be some of it as well as just

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really the you know the whole bizarre

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nature of the UFO phenomena you know its

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visitors from other planets secret

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military black projects extra

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dimensional sentient energy entities you

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know your guess is as good as mine and

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that's you know that's why we have this

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show because you know we could bring in

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these great guests and you know I mean

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we may not be able to answer any

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questions but we sure have a great time

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talking about it we've got we got the

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best I guess I mean look we just put our

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heart and soul and into this a program

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and I know our audience is increasing

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and we get a lot of emails and please do

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it send us your suggestions for guest

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and also we welcome a hearing from you

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anyway what you tell us what we're gonna

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have on this evening well first of all

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this evening

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I'm really happy we've got a Scott cross

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with us now this is Scott's first time

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on our show so you know we're gonna have

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to treat him nicely and so now a Scott

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is I tied the chupacabras up so we're I

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guess we better get through this and

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because they'll chew through their

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change pretty quickly so now Scott's a

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yeah a prolific writer an investigator

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of UFO and paranormal events in the

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Hispanic communities worldwide he's one

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of the most respected names in the

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global world of ufology with contacts in

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and the Caribbean the institute of

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she was established in October of 1998

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of what Scott you're gonna have to help

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me with this one I always mess this one

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in split in split you gotta am I saying

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that right he's got his microphone muted

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so that were batteries pulling his hair

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out door how you got it all in

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explicator in explicator in explicator

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thank you

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alright so now the organization

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currently has representatives and

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contributing editors in over a dozen

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spanish-speaking countries now Scott's

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research into sightings and hair-raising

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encounters with the chupacabra are the

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inspiration for the the fascination with

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the lust for blood by the ultra

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terrestrials and emails also contributor

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to the dark side of UF ology trilogy

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which includes the books alien bloodlust

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that's our most recent one this has come

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out UFO hostilities and of course my

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favorite sexual encounters with the ETS

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now now later on in the program we'll

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bring in dr. Bruce Cornett now Bruce has

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been on our show before but we're always

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happy to have a dr. quartet with him now

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Bruce Cornett conducted extensive

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investigations concerning the Pine Bush

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New York UFO sightings during his

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experiences in which he obtained video

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and audio recordings of UFOs dr. Cornett

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install passive detection and monitoring

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devices at UFO hot spots around the

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United States and as Tim pointed out

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there's some involvement with the

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skinwalker ranch and dr. Cornett and so

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we'll have to ask him about that when he

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joins us on exploring the bizarre so Tim

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what we're gonna start with uh Scott

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first so uh I think so I think so

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Scott and I have known each other now

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for many years

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Scott was a regular contributor to UFO a

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universe as were you Tim and those

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probably bran that yeah yeah we were in

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that magazine into the ground I mean we

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ran that magazine for for for for 11

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years well which actually is probably a

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historical amount of years most UFO

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magazines came and what came and gone

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except for maybe fate magazine which

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still may be around pardon the

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expression in a skeleton form although I

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haven't seen a printed issue in a while

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but I know what Phyllis's is got one

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upper sleeve and you never know when an

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issue might appear but Scott how did you

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get into this I mean you're the the man

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behind the scenes as far as the

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chupacabra goes but yeah you've got a

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wealth of information on all these Close

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Encounters and events that have taken

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place and the Caribbean in Mexico and a

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Cuba and Puerto Rico and what what the

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heck is going on what got you started

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well you know this is interesting

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little Spanish children's magazine

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called strong that used to publish in

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and you will talk about the space

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program you know the Apollo moon

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launches and what is it like is that

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like our weekly world news no no no

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imagine the world is we had the Weekly

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scholastic good chance to put it on

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scholastic yeah I remember

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yeah well yeah yes but imagine something

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more commercial full of cartoons and

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things that you know kids might be

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was is could there possibly be life on

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other planets and that got me hooked

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and it's coincided with the great

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started to see people you know our

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teachers were so into let's say the

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space program they took it to heart and

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their thing their line of dialogue to us

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is you kids are going to be so lucky we

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have seen men on the moon you will see

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people from other worlds visiting us so

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we were ment alized and this was a great

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thing and we had all our magazines we

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had doula which was published by the

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authorial Posada I mean it's the that

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was probably the main magazine at the

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time it explored everything from UFOs to

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Templar is it at all kinds of things now

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so it was it was a perfect environment

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in which to develop a healthy interest

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in these subjects plus you had all the

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books by the European authors like I'm

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example we're all being translated into

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Spanish and we could read them for

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moderate price you know you're just a

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kid you can buy a paperback you know for

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10 pesos which was 80 cents at the time

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so I sort of you know throughout my time

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in Mexico I was very interested we moved

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that was going on at the time so I know

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you've written about that in the alien

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alien Bloodless book that doesn't

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day or two ago I I don't even have my

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copy yet and I don't think you do either

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but we'll we'll wing it so to speak now

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what was the first case that you

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actually you know investigated or wrote

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up you know it's interesting you mean

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about chupacabras well no just in

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general UFOs what are UFOs called in the

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Hispanic world they have a couple of

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different names right true they have

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which is literally unidentified flying

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objects then the contactee movement came

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sixth at the wrists that is the DeVos

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presupposing an alien origin to the

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phenomenon but that was that's clearly

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something that when you see it written

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down you know it's a contacting who's

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writing about it and in fact not acti

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ism is still hot and heavy in Latin

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still have such stupid stupid six to

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paws of Sixto Paz that's right yeah yeah

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yeah yeah and you have also in Argentina

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and Mexico you have renewed contact he

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is in Venezuela also hazard contactees

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it never ever faded away and you have to

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be careful many times because you find

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people still you know what will drag

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that into the mix and you do not quite

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sure what they're doing but yes are they

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are the the contact these are they taken

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more seriously would you say in the in

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the Hispanic community ah let's say that

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their cherished because the message is

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of course you know the brothers of light

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you know the same old same old same old

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but also in Latin America it dubs in

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with spiritism

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which is known as big you'll go to every

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house will probably have its little

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allan kardec book next to the bible you

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know or something

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they have Christian this Christian

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spiritism I think they've got going on

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so yeah so that has that's that seemed

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great favor yeah yeah you know I

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actually picked up two girls at a bar

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one night because I asked them I asked

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them where they were from and they said

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you know I guess they had been born in

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Cuba or something oh they were so

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impressed that a you know like a

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States would know who Alan Kardec was

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but he was French right correct his name

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was I guess just on bail I think and he

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started he started that table tipping I

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believe that that was his thing that's

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right and then he started

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these prayers and meditation Wheatsheaf

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war - Ouija board I think pretty much

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something along those lines and was huge

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huge at his time and I guess at the very

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same time still there still is and I

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believe in in Brazil and in Cuba correct

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especially in Brazil where spiritism

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sees aliens as the highest level of

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spirit time so we reached our would they

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have Ashtar they have Ashtar they have

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the oh gosh I'm drawing a blank but they

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have all these other that's where

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they've all gone to them pretty much

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it's a good place to be I was going to

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say they like weather what the hell

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would you want to be around here for

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would be to be relaxing on the bikini

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beach in Rio de Janeiro in fact the last

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time I saw Ash tire ever mentioned I

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think wasn't a Warren Smith book back in

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the 70s he was never seen around here

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again yeah okay so yeah you but you you

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wouldn't you went straight so to speak I

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mean you weren't too much into the into

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the contact do you never a movie you

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know hey you okay okay so what what was

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the the first a couple of cases that you

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remember that you were impressed by very

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impressed I'll tell you what happened I

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think I was happened to be in Puerto

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Rico on vacation picked up a copy of

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Jacques valets dimensions and in the end

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toward the end he says it's a shame that

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no one has ever translated Salvador free

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share those different demos and los

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Dioses beware for God's into English and

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I said hello that's something I'm going

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to do and I set out to do it and of

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course the book you know it's still out

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there remains unpublished yeah yeah I

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started to write about the cases going

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on in Puerto Rico in the late 1980s

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early 90s remember that the late 80s

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were the time when you had laguna kata

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henna that body of water in the

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southwestern corner of Puerto Rico that

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was supposed to be an alien base people

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were seeing objects emerging plunging

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into it

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you had that entire southwestern corner

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of puerto rico's awash in UFO sightings

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in sightings of greys

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abductions

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and a number of different researchers

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from around the world valet himself went

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down

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you had japan's nhk network produced one

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of the best UFO documentaries there but

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it's available only in Japanese and it

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was all about ego at that time and of

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course I started just documenting that

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pretty soon I started getting in touch

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with a group called deaf incognito in

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Mexico we began exchanging materials I

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started rekindling contacts that I had

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in Mexico with Spain we started dealing

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with Mankato by n who's one of the

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foremost writers my God he's completely

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moved out of UFO into mainstream and

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certainly the the network grew through

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recommendations through the rekindling

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of old friendships and acquaintances and

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before you know it we had a virtual

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Institute which became in explicator the

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it suit of Hispanic ecology now what was

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what was the okay what what reports did

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you consider like you know serious what

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what impressed you the the most I mean

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was it self-aware there are certain

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researchers that you that you look to to

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provide you know information that you

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thought was more valid than coming from

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other sources well you know going back

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to the classics let's say I I had had a

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great friendship with people that you

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know like like Berthold Schwarz I mean

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we had all yes been exchanging

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correspondence max Edwards over in in

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Canada and they were also directing me

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to who was a a trustworthy source so in

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Mexico was always the works of Pedro

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Feliz in Puerto Rico you had Orlando

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remax who had the only radio show of his

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time but then again the problem with his

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show he would give you the actual cases

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as they happened but he was a contact

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team he himself was a contact he and his

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group in nuclear asean was also contact

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he organization so you had to sort of

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know how to filter things but then again

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you would eventually get

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to the nitty-gritty I think that one

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thing at the time that was lacking was a

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major UFO magazine in Spanish Spain had

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several and still does to this day but

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Mexico had already gone through its

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phase Porto Rico had none and I believe

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Argentina had two or three which have

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since disappeared Argentina has always

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had a tremendous UFO community to the

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present day Brazil has one of the AJ

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Gerard has the magazine their UFO Brazil

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yes that has been steady for the past

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thirty years at least I mean I think it

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picked up from some of the older authors

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like dr. la Fuente said believe his name

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was he had been big in the 60s he had

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something called only in Portuguese only

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Verdot Bronco though so nice the white

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book on UFOs and I think that became the

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wellspring of a lot of other

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publications there's a we had

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correspondence with we had

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correspondence with SB DVM is that the

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right initials yes that the organization

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Bueller what they're beauties yeah

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Walter realization correct yes yes he

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put out he put out an English edition of

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the newsletter now it was a little

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choppy the English was not exactly all

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that great but if you read it I found

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that if you you read material that's

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translated you read it a paragraph at a

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time you have to kind of you can't read

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it word for word

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you got to consume it a paragraph or two

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at a time and then you kind of you

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couldn't hold it yeah well we try to

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make it better for Indiana so they said

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read so there's some kind of poetry to

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it but I understand yes and it certainly

420
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happy yes now that we use machine

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translation so much for languages that

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we don't understand like Chinese and

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Japanese and at least but you like you

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said dr. Bueller's organization

425
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certainly had a wide network and it was

426
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he who was following up on the BS boas

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case and whatever hats curious blow us

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after

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encounter you know went on to become a

430
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judge he came a judge in the court

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system and he never again had any

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experiences and was reticent about

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talking about them what happened back in

434
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the 50s uh-huh well now he passed away

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at a rather early age correct ah I

436
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believe he did I think he died in them

437
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well maybe not so young I think his his

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death was announced in the 90s in the

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early 90s that that's as far as I recall

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and there were few photographs of him

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circulating but and people had not seen

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him yeah since that that famous

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black-and-white photo that appeared in

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flying saucer you well I think we found

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a couple that I believe we used in the

446
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book pardon the expression and the title

447
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screwed by the alien brilliant brilliant

448
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I will go to my grave with that maybe

449
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I'll have that engraved on my tombstone

450
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yes very appropriate yes but no Brazil

451
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has its own community and Argentine as I

452
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said is prolific mm-hmm oh how have the

453
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reports changed over the years well

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remember those early reports followed

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very much were we used to in the u.s.

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first you had your close encounters of

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the first kind

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then you had landings than you had

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humanoids now the one thing that didn't

460
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happen in Latin America to a great

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extent were the abductions abduction

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phenomena did not have the strength that

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it did in the States and in Britain and

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maybe in Australia there were cases in

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Spain some in Argentina but not - not

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that mass awareness of that we had in

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the 90s persona I do remember in in in

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Mexico even around the time of a damn

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ski and before there were there was a

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chauffeur or a cab driver maybe who had

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that experience

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a vehicle kind of run out of gas or yeah

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it was probably a beat-up old wreck or

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something and Salvadorian women yeah

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yeah and and he had their quite quite an

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encounter and didn't they even bring a

477
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damn ski down and they had a big lecture

478
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a big event and a bullfighting ring you

479
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know that's very possible I know that

480
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beyond waiver was active for a long time

481
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people respected him it was very funny

482
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about his cases as you mentioned his car

483
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broke down in the middle of a road he

484
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was taking to American tourists driving

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them back to the border car breaks down

486
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the two tourists just you know

487
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disappeared they had to walk to the

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nearest town and see what they did they

489
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simply dropped out of history but then

490
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the his encounter proceeded they don't

491
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know what they missed

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gentlemen I have interrupt you here

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because we have to go to our bottom of

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the hour break so when we come back we

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continue our conversation with Scott

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

498
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

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beckoning hunting Swift's welcome back

500
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to exploring the bazaar right now we're

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talking with Scott Corrales and Scott

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before I had to so rudely interrupt you

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to go to our bottom of the hour break

504
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you were telling us a story about the

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Mexican cab driver and his experience

506
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that's right Salvadorian river he's

507
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among the two main Mexican contactees of

508
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that time but Salvadorian we have a

509
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acquired international attention because

510
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of the contactee experience he was taken

511
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aboard the craft he was taken on the the

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ability the obligatory tour of the solar

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system that aliens used to give you back

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then but then if as I said I've had been

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having not I thanked him for remembering

516
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you know via Noah I believe that he

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disappeared mysteriously that to

518
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stateside researchers had gone to see

519
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him and he had developed some kind of

520
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medical complication that he had said

521
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was a result of his involvement with the

522
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with the kind space brothers and he sort

523
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of drops out from UFO history at least

524
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from contactee history mmm

525
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but I'm not sure if I may be mistaken

526
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him for someone else but one of the US

527
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researchers I think was called Al Nye

528
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that name seems to to stick for some

529
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reason and very very you a very very

530
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creepy end to his contactee saga you

531
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know that's one of the things that I

532
00:25:59,850 --> 00:25:56,350
enjoy about your blog Scott is that you

533
00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:59,860
bring you bring it out a lot of stories

534
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:01,899
from you know especially Central and

535
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South America that we really would not

536
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hear anything about up here in the

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states and

538
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and some relays and some really creepy

539
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:19,539
stories to that you know it it seems to

540
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be that there's a lot more of those kind

541
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of stories down south I'm afraid so I'm

542
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afraid so in fact I think there was a

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magazine out in California that told me

544
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:33,340
do not submit any more articles we're

545
00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:36,610
not interested in the creeps but that

546
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:37,720
was then this is now

547
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:40,870
oh okay why do you think I be poor do

548
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:42,510
you think that is I mean you know what's

549
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:44,500
what's a divot you know you were talking

550
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,020
earlier about how you know the the whole

551
00:26:55,889 --> 00:26:52,000
abduction scenario never really took off

552
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:55,899
in central in South America or at least

553
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:57,850
if it did it didn't get the publicity

554
00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:00,520
that it got up you know around here so I

555
00:27:10,139 --> 00:27:05,140
mean you know why would there be such a

556
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:10,149
difference in locations and these you

557
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:12,929
know just sometimes really bizarre or

558
00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:17,559
oftentimes uh just abundant UFO reports

559
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:20,140
well if you think about it go back to

560
00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:22,750
let's say the 60s when people would say

561
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:25,720
look at how the aliens quote-unquote

562
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:27,250
that manifests themselves in South

563
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:29,049
America are so different from from what

564
00:27:32,909 --> 00:27:30,490
we see in Europe but they had you know

565
00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:32,919
the friendly blondes in platinum

566
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:35,740
spacesuits here we were getting you know

567
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:38,289
I guess the Adamski type but in Latin

568
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:39,460
America they were getting those

569
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:42,220
bellicose dwarves that would try to drag

570
00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:44,590
you into saucers they would get

571
00:27:53,070 --> 00:27:47,559
screaming three eyed giants in Brazil

572
00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:53,080
very very lurid very visceral entities

573
00:27:58,740 --> 00:27:55,870
manifestations shall we say is what they

574
00:28:00,600 --> 00:27:58,750
were actually getting out there and and

575
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:00,610
and it seemed that there was something

576
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:03,820
the spirit of the land seemed to evoke

577
00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:09,610
these different types of beings that's

578
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:11,860
what comes to mind that when it comes to

579
00:28:16,649 --> 00:28:14,710
the abductee situation there may have

580
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:16,659
been an effect there were a couple of

581
00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:20,760
prominent ones but maybe the religious

582
00:28:25,999 --> 00:28:22,840
implications you know are we dealing

583
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:26,009
with demons made people

584
00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:28,690
religious advice rather than run to the

585
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,179
neighborhood ufologist before you know

586
00:28:35,129 --> 00:28:32,799
how can you put me in touch with Budd

587
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:35,139
Hopkins so I can get a regression mob

588
00:28:43,139 --> 00:28:38,769
that did not happen at all a lot of some

589
00:28:45,449 --> 00:28:43,149
local ufologists were practicing

590
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:45,459
hypnosis they did do regressions some of

591
00:28:50,849 --> 00:28:48,129
them made it to the magazines perhaps

592
00:28:55,949 --> 00:28:50,859
the most important one was back in as

593
00:28:58,919 --> 00:28:55,959
far back as 1975 a woman who was visited

594
00:29:02,519 --> 00:28:58,929
but day times I encounter humanoid in

595
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,529
her backyard but it all had to be

596
00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:05,440
recovered by a psychologist using

597
00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:07,389
hypnosis that was probably the best

598
00:29:16,469 --> 00:29:13,179
documented abduction of the 70s in the

599
00:29:19,469 --> 00:29:16,479
spanish-speaking sphere shall we say

600
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:19,479
mm-hmm and I was in Puerto Rico in Spain

601
00:29:24,959 --> 00:29:21,369
they had their own they had the Prospero

602
00:29:28,109 --> 00:29:24,969
Munoz case were women in the 80s or 90s

603
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:28,119
was remembering having been abducted in

604
00:29:34,769 --> 00:29:32,039
the 40s in the late 1940s but somehow

605
00:29:37,199 --> 00:29:34,779
she had conflated everything to say that

606
00:29:39,329 --> 00:29:37,209
the creatures had visited her were

607
00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:39,339
gypsies were evil gypsies who had come

608
00:29:45,979 --> 00:29:42,339
by and you know had their way with her

609
00:29:49,069 --> 00:29:45,989
or what have you so there's a lot of

610
00:29:51,869 --> 00:29:49,079
they said there were ways of covering up

611
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:51,879
the experience usually with either

612
00:29:58,199 --> 00:29:56,049
political manifestations or religious

613
00:30:01,409 --> 00:29:58,209
manifestations and by political I'm

614
00:30:03,569 --> 00:30:01,419
trying to say even as far in the 90s

615
00:30:06,269 --> 00:30:03,579
when the chupacabras was being seen in

616
00:30:07,859 --> 00:30:06,279
Central America you had people in Costa

617
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:07,869
Rica saying none others don't you

618
00:30:12,659 --> 00:30:09,190
Buckeye with us this is just a

619
00:30:14,459 --> 00:30:12,669
manifestation of people's discomfort

620
00:30:16,409 --> 00:30:14,469
with capitalism we should all be

621
00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:16,419
Marxists mmm and that we wouldn't see

622
00:30:21,389 --> 00:30:18,789
these things and of course in Puerto

623
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,399
Rico it played differently

624
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:24,399
you had biologists and scientists at the

625
00:30:27,869 --> 00:30:25,929
University of Puerto Rico saying no no

626
00:30:29,339 --> 00:30:27,879
this has to do with the political status

627
00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:29,349
of the island if we were either a

628
00:30:32,639 --> 00:30:30,820
republic or a state we wouldn't be

629
00:30:34,979 --> 00:30:32,649
seeing these things so it's

630
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:34,989
schizophrenia it's schizophrenia due to

631
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:38,610
the political status in Mexico

632
00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:40,260
they said the young chupacabras is

633
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:42,990
president Salinas who's made off with

634
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,490
five hundred billion dollars from from

635
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:49,200
the country he's a Jewpacabra us not

636
00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:51,510
some creature so you know so there were

637
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:53,280
different different ways of seeing the

638
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,170
situation aside from what was actually

639
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,840
going on and what was actually being

640
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:00,240
reported let's say whether it was in

641
00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:03,240
magazines and television seemed to be

642
00:31:08,270 --> 00:31:06,390
brushed aside by officialdom into

643
00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:08,280
something well let's say I'm not a man

644
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:09,780
I'm not gonna say respectable but

645
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,150
palatable yeah st. has to do with your

646
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,880
monetary crisis with social uncertainty

647
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:16,799
political uncertainty and then we can

648
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:18,990
just say it was a psychological social

649
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,809
psychosocial phenomenon which would have

650
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,760
pleased the European psycho Socialist

651
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:26,880
know when back in the 70s when our

652
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:30,299
speaking of the gia chupacabra our new

653
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:34,710
book alien bloodlust has a huge section

654
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:37,910
of your contributions in your research

655
00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:42,830
about chupacabra what what got you

656
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:45,900
involved in that to begin with well I'll

657
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:48,870
tell you I had always been interested in

658
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:52,470
the Mothman as everyone is man in

659
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:54,360
Bigfoot and certainly their

660
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:56,299
manifestations south of the border and

661
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:00,480
to suddenly start seeing that a similar

662
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:03,960
creature a winged weirdo was now

663
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:06,570
appearing in Puerto Rico was impossible

664
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:10,290
to resist especially as you know it's

665
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:12,780
been overlooked that the chupacabras had

666
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:15,510
a precedent it manifests at first as a

667
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,030
very strange winged ape-like entity and

668
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:23,070
before that the MOCA vampire 20 years

669
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:26,910
earlier no one had ever seen until there

670
00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:29,700
was a sketch that appeared in a local

671
00:32:35,419 --> 00:32:32,040
magazine showing a similar ape-like

672
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:35,429
creature but no one ever got to see it

673
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,330
unlike the chupacabras which had several

674
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:40,799
let's say incarnations before it

675
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:44,210
achieved its final form of you know the

676
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:49,620
gray-headed a body wing spine creature

677
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:51,460
that

678
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:54,210
you know captured imaginations worldwide

679
00:32:58,530 --> 00:32:56,920
however that was not the creature that

680
00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:58,540
was seen in Mexico it was not the

681
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:01,270
creature seen in Chile it was not what

682
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:03,520
was seen in Brazil so you have this

683
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:07,420
protium entity that seemed to be all

684
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:09,550
things to all people but have the same

685
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:12,910
effect drawing blood from animals

686
00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:17,340
ranging from chickens to large livestock

687
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:21,940
through this one proboscis or tube that

688
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:25,390
could draw blood and always leave some

689
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:28,810
kind of residue behind and that residue

690
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:31,570
was actually collected and analyzed but

691
00:33:37,790 --> 00:33:33,100
the results of usually with these things

692
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:37,800
were inconclusive it's too bad that

693
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:40,150
those residues can't couldn't be

694
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:42,340
analyzed today you know with the

695
00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:44,380
progress that we've made in a DNA

696
00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:46,660
research you know if somebody actually

697
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:49,480
took that seriously we could probably do

698
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:51,850
our little Lots yeah I think now we have

699
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:53,890
all these advanced techniques like what

700
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:55,750
CRISPR I think it's called it's just a

701
00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:57,670
new thing it would be completely

702
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:00,190
different but I remember talking about

703
00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:03,550
let's say 1995 it seemed that he had

704
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,560
some lovely some of the animals that had

705
00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:08,800
survived or just her carcasses showed

706
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:10,780
the examination complete loss of blood

707
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:14,020
but then some kind of goo chupacabras

708
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:18,250
residue that was theorized it was being

709
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:21,970
injected into the animals carcass to

710
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,500
liquefy the interior and then the entity

711
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:28,480
would be able to draw everything out and

712
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:29,890
remember some of those early reports

713
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,170
said that the carcass was completely

714
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:34,480
liquefied the organs had been liquefied

715
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:38,320
like a lie a spider that's where so yeah

716
00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:40,810
so what were we dealing with I mean now

717
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:43,780
you go back into that old theory of

718
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:48,490
aliens as insects which I think some of

719
00:34:53,970 --> 00:34:50,050
the very early founders were saying in

720
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:53,980
order to withstand the strange maneuvers

721
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:56,170
that we see UFOs being able to do their

722
00:35:01,170 --> 00:34:58,930
occupants would have to be insects now

723
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:01,180
how they reach that the conclusion I'll

724
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,130
leave to a to a biologist but

725
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:08,880
was being said and yes Oh Gerald gerald

726
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:12,049
heard I think one of the first UFO books

727
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:18,140
that was his theory that he put forward

728
00:35:22,999 --> 00:35:21,089
1950 maybe hit again it would make sense

729
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:23,009
as it was an early theory it was an

730
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:25,940
early theory and I think it was also

731
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:29,640
when people started looking into ancient

732
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:32,970
aliens they looked at that one statue of

733
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:35,190
the God in Tiahuanaco and in Bolivia and

734
00:35:37,339 --> 00:35:36,569
they said okay this is some kind of

735
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:37,349
insect God

736
00:35:41,749 --> 00:35:39,650
maybe yes it was some kind of worship of

737
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:41,759
insects which other cultures have

738
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:45,480
worshiped Birds you know and mammals but

739
00:35:49,759 --> 00:35:47,400
this culture was perhaps they were

740
00:35:51,529 --> 00:35:49,769
venerating these forms and in the insect

741
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,539
form something to that effect

742
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,880
so that that was going on that was going

743
00:35:58,999 --> 00:35:56,730
on but to go back to to the chupacabras

744
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:59,009
the manifestations that we had let's say

745
00:36:03,859 --> 00:36:02,099
1995 in Puerto Rico completely different

746
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:03,869
by the year 2000 and Chile where they

747
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:07,700
were seeing large winged creatures

748
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:11,490
simian very simian creatures attacking

749
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:16,170
people on buses truckers were having

750
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:17,490
encounters as they made their deliveries

751
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:23,220
and yet that entire Chilean phase of the

752
00:36:28,309 --> 00:36:25,140
chupacabras phenomenon has gone

753
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:28,319
unnoticed despite the fact that a local

754
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:32,190
well as a Chilean senator said I don't

755
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:35,160
care what's killing these animals we

756
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,670
have to investigate it because the

757
00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:40,740
livestock farmers have to receive some

758
00:36:44,749 --> 00:36:42,119
kind of compensation for their losses

759
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:44,759
and that's where people started taking

760
00:36:48,609 --> 00:36:46,890
it seriously in that country and then

761
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:48,619
percolated and Argentina

762
00:36:54,529 --> 00:36:51,690
well now you in in your in this book

763
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:54,539
that we just published the alien blood

764
00:37:01,039 --> 00:36:57,210
lust you have probably well over a

765
00:37:04,249 --> 00:37:01,049
hundred large-size pages devoted to the

766
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:04,259
chupacabra Diaries now did you actually

767
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:06,390
go out and talk to some of the witnesses

768
00:37:12,789 --> 00:37:09,960
yourself yes I did yes I did we went to

769
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:12,799
Puerto Rico in belief it was December of

770
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:17,700
1995 with let's say several months of

771
00:37:21,819 --> 00:37:18,890
information

772
00:37:24,029 --> 00:37:21,829
behind us through the intercession of

773
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:24,039
local ufologists we managed to meet

774
00:37:28,990 --> 00:37:26,210
people these are religious people who

775
00:37:31,809 --> 00:37:29,000
had had an encounter on their property

776
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:31,819
and the first man to ever to our

777
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:35,000
knowledge to actually fight back at the

778
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,970
chupacabras and hit it with his machete

779
00:37:41,769 --> 00:37:39,680
now this is interesting because no one

780
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:41,779
had ever gone on the offensive so to

781
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:44,980
speak but he said when his machete

782
00:37:52,569 --> 00:37:49,640
contacted the creature he said yes oh so

783
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:52,579
no homo own tambour that thing sounded

784
00:37:59,980 --> 00:37:56,210
like a drum suggesting that it was

785
00:38:03,309 --> 00:37:59,990
either hollow mechanical to whether that

786
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:03,319
he was very very distressed and our

787
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:06,140
interview was cut short by members of

788
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:08,450
his family who were religious and began

789
00:38:17,470 --> 00:38:13,150
singing religious songs like let's chase

790
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:17,480
yeah so we sort of took were you the

791
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:18,650
devil they would meet with the Jeffs

792
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:22,430
away yeah talking about this stuff so we

793
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:24,529
were chased away gently by religious

794
00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:27,890
songs now the next person was actually

795
00:38:34,809 --> 00:38:30,680
thinking forget the family's name but

796
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:34,819
their dog a lovable pooch had had its

797
00:38:40,029 --> 00:38:36,380
close encounters with it with the

798
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:40,039
chupacabras had held it at bay and the

799
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:42,049
woman came out to see the entity

800
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:43,640
confronted it and said you're the

801
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:46,250
ugliest thing I've ever seen to which

802
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:48,170
that you ever has sort of lifted its

803
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:50,420
puny arm and wing and covered its face

804
00:39:00,880 --> 00:38:58,730
and shame and then it just flew away it

805
00:39:04,269 --> 00:39:00,890
fluttered away after having hidden

806
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:04,279
behind a washing machine which we saw I

807
00:39:12,549 --> 00:39:09,920
mean we went there and proof all I can

808
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:12,559
tell you is that the people were not

809
00:39:17,769 --> 00:39:15,890
interested in becoming famous they just

810
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:17,779
said okay now we have told you

811
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:20,930
everything we know now you tell us what

812
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:24,529
it was we saw well they was they saw

813
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:27,049
well what does it see well I tell them

814
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:29,150
look but you have seen is something

815
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:30,890
that's being reported widely in the

816
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:32,490
press and perhaps

817
00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:35,310
is connected with the sightings of

818
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,950
strange creatures that come in perhaps

819
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:39,660
from other dimensions we don't know in

820
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,340
the United States and other countries

821
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:43,500
and that's when I started telling him

822
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:45,090
about my but Mothman about other

823
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:46,710
entities that had been reported similar

824
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:51,750
the winged weirdos that he was right in

825
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:54,600
Ohio in Ohio after the the age of

826
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:57,030
Mothman that were being seen and did

827
00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:58,530
that seemed to mollify them and they

828
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,990
were they were comforted to certain

829
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:03,420
extent to be able to hear that they

830
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:05,490
weren't crazy this had not been visited

831
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:07,650
upon other this is something that was

832
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:09,330
actually happening to other people and

833
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:12,690
it certainly was well now why don't we

834
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:16,800
have a chupacabra you know a lot of

835
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:19,110
people went to Puerto Rico in during

836
00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:22,200
those crazy days those crazy 10 to 12

837
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:24,630
months with the intention of capturing

838
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:27,570
one the mayor of the town of Gahan

839
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:30,690
Ivana's even commissioned a cage he had

840
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,800
a cage he had bait he had 200 people

841
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,720
doing you know forays at night to try to

842
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:38,940
catch chupacabras and it never took the

843
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:43,490
bait so it wasn't for lack of trying

844
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:46,460
night watchman happened to see

845
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:48,660
processions they say one two three

846
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:50,490
creatures of the similar description

847
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:52,650
going into the property of certain

848
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:55,170
corporations at night and yet they

849
00:41:00,560 --> 00:40:58,440
didn't have the I'm gonna say resolve to

850
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:00,570
be able with their nightsticks to to say

851
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,790
you stop or do something in to detain

852
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:04,560
them yeah so there were opportunities

853
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,960
but either they were missed or not taken

854
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,000
in Mexico as far as I know no effort was

855
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:13,920
ever made they were too busy with their

856
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:16,680
political situation saying that any

857
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:18,390
discussion of chupacabras was

858
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:20,730
distracting from a political problem and

859
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,700
that it was just a smokescreen being put

860
00:41:27,859 --> 00:41:25,740
up yet those cases were happening now

861
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:27,869
what I liked about the Mexico situation

862
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:31,609
was that now you saw scientists

863
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:34,170
discreetly writing letters writing me

864
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:37,470
letters saying you know we believe that

865
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:40,530
this is actually a vampire bat color

866
00:41:46,279 --> 00:41:43,770
vampire spec tree that had been brought

867
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:46,289
into Mexico by then again a

868
00:41:53,419 --> 00:41:50,160
devil-worshipping cult called the golden

869
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:53,429
lucifer i believe and now we start

870
00:42:00,799 --> 00:41:57,119
getting in to the black magic that is

871
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:00,809
all over mexico and which in recent

872
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:05,400
years the local politicians involvement

873
00:42:11,269 --> 00:42:09,900
in black magic became known you know it

874
00:42:13,909 --> 00:42:11,279
became a matter of public record I

875
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:13,919
should say so was word was that

876
00:42:18,229 --> 00:42:16,049
chupacabra seen in Mexico that actually

877
00:42:21,229 --> 00:42:18,239
attacked a woman named Laura jana in

878
00:42:24,799 --> 00:42:21,239
1997 was that one of these enormous

879
00:42:28,009 --> 00:42:24,809
vampire bats I mean the question remains

880
00:42:31,269 --> 00:42:28,019
unanswered yeah that doesn't seem very

881
00:42:33,409 --> 00:42:31,279
likely right uh okay so the the

882
00:42:35,779 --> 00:42:33,419
chupacabra that you would describe that

883
00:42:37,999 --> 00:42:35,789
differently in different countries or

884
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:38,009
different areas they all didn't look the

885
00:42:42,469 --> 00:42:40,049
same right they did not look the same

886
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:42,479
but the modus operandi seemed to be the

887
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,910
same attacking animals drawing blood

888
00:42:48,769 --> 00:42:46,859
through a single puncture mark

889
00:42:50,959 --> 00:42:48,779
completely different from the cattle

890
00:42:55,009 --> 00:42:50,969
mutilations that Argentina has been

891
00:42:57,049 --> 00:42:55,019
suffering since 2002 which are

892
00:42:59,509 --> 00:42:57,059
traditional channel mutes like we used

893
00:43:03,019 --> 00:42:59,519
to have in Nebraska and Kansas yeah

894
00:43:05,539 --> 00:43:03,029
there were some reports that just came

895
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:05,549
to my attention from last week actually

896
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:10,619
I think a seven herd of cattle it was a

897
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:14,819
cattle were killed there mutilated or

898
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:16,650
whatever happened that's been going on

899
00:43:21,549 --> 00:43:18,630
if you go to the next blue kata blog

900
00:43:24,919 --> 00:43:21,559
you'll see all the cases that we've had

901
00:43:26,989 --> 00:43:24,929
in fact it we've we stopped doing

902
00:43:28,819 --> 00:43:26,999
mutilations because usually we get

903
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:28,829
reported by people who say oh this is

904
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:30,479
ugly we don't want to see you know

905
00:43:37,269 --> 00:43:34,619
damaged animals don't do that and so you

906
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:37,279
know we tried to sometimes just

907
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:39,569
translate present the information and

908
00:43:44,659 --> 00:43:41,369
put a link to the photographs to avoid

909
00:43:46,339 --> 00:43:44,669
trouble yeah but but I think that there

910
00:43:47,689 --> 00:43:46,349
was a gentleman down there a couple of

911
00:43:51,469 --> 00:43:47,699
years ago when they had another major

912
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:51,479
outbreak he was looking into one head of

913
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:54,809
cattle that had actually survived being

914
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,190
mutilated and apparently with

915
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,859
ever force is involved in these attacks

916
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:04,440
kept coming back for the same animal but

917
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:08,550
it wouldn't die so they named and Linda

918
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:09,569
if you're on the air I hope you're not

919
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:12,089
offended they named it Linda after Linda

920
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:12,750
Moulton Howe

921
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:19,680
so asked I have to ask the gentleman

922
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:23,130
what has what has become of Linda the

923
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,520
heifer to see you know what do they get

924
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,619
to keep tracking to this creature or

925
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:30,960
force keep attacking this animal and it

926
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:33,480
showed some kind of resistance to it

927
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,170
some kind of immunity it's a it's a

928
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,660
fascinating situation and it does not

929
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,220
involve the chupacabras but just

930
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:43,680
traditional mutilations going back to

931
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:49,710
the summer of 2002 my my my favorite the

932
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:53,750
bloodletting a case is the island of

933
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:57,480
Flores Briana yes yeah yeah back in

934
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:01,800
nineteen well 77 and 78 where I guess

935
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,060
over 400 people were attacked by well an

936
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:08,400
object that they described as being a

937
00:45:13,609 --> 00:45:11,250
horizontal refrigerator I mean every

938
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:13,619
peculiar type of UFO it looked like a

939
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:15,990
railroad car I mean the photographs that

940
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:17,400
I've seen of it I guess that would be

941
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:19,950
the way that I I would describe it but

942
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,099
these people were struck by a horizontal

943
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:25,200
a beam of light that came out of the

944
00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:29,339
craft and now this beam of light would

945
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:32,579
penetrate their homes it would go

946
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:38,569
through walls and windows and roofs and

947
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:41,550
there were markings on the well as some

948
00:45:47,059 --> 00:45:43,050
of the witness I guess there were over

949
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:47,069
400 individuals and they had their

950
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:49,170
markings on their body it fairly added

951
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:51,030
this beam of light that shot out at him

952
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:54,599
came some sort of device which would

953
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:57,480
actually adhere to their skin and draw

954
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:00,960
the blood so now they weren't entirely a

955
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:04,950
drained of blood but it was enough to

956
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,640
cause them to feel very fatigued over an

957
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:11,760
extended period of time and they they

958
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:13,110
shot at the object

959
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:16,500
said they they they beat the pots and

960
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:19,170
pans and in this screen data and

961
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:20,850
everything else they could think of in

962
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,820
still the objects came on a regular

963
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,480
basis

964
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:27,480
and even if they would try to hide the

965
00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:34,050
objects chupa-chupa the time yeah Tim

966
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:35,700
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to

967
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,110
interrupt you here because we only have

968
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,940
about two minutes left before we have to

969
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:40,560
go to our break so I think you need to

970
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:45,390
have well we're gonna have to have a

971
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:48,540
Scott tell our audience where they can

972
00:46:53,450 --> 00:46:51,780
find out more about him online and you

973
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:53,460
know anything that he's doing in the

974
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:56,520
near future certainly please stop by W

975
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:01,980
in explicar at blogspot.com and but we

976
00:47:08,530 --> 00:47:06,540
try to update the blog regularly and not

977
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:08,540
working on anything right now other than

978
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:11,550
that translating and keeping it keeping

979
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,610
tabs on South America well it's the

980
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:16,560
greatest it's the greatest blog going

981
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:18,990
there certainly one of the the best in

982
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,210
you you've got some sensationalistic

983
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:24,000
reports there never mind trips to the

984
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:26,970
Moon and Mars and Venus you've got some

985
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:28,710
really incredible things in there how

986
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:31,530
many issues have you put out I mean yeah

987
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,510
I guess issues we would call it oh my

988
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:35,160
gosh like it's it's hard to tell we've

989
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:40,710
been at it since what 2005 I maybe 2000

990
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,990
articles maybe Oh wonderful wonderful

991
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:45,920
well that's a that's a heck of a lot of

992
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:48,540
material maybe someday we want to roll

993
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:50,730
it together and put it out in a in a in

994
00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:56,370
a book let's do it let's do it man to me

995
00:48:02,570 --> 00:47:56,670
next

996
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:02,580
that dinner up to here because we have

997
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:05,070
to go to our top of the hour break so

998
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:06,930
we'll be talking about that Scott

999
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:09,750
Corrales who's featured predominantly in

1000
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:12,570
our new book alien a bloodless now

1001
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:19,830
available on Amazon and we'll be right

1002
00:48:33,499 --> 00:48:21,970
back after this break with more

1003
00:48:40,449 --> 00:48:37,999
explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride

1004
00:48:43,729 --> 00:48:40,459
into the world of the paranoid

1005
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:43,739
strap yourself even as we traverse the

1006
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:48,049
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1007
00:48:53,539 --> 00:48:51,169
ghosts Lost Worlds

1008
00:48:57,379 --> 00:48:53,549
cryptozoology waters as well as other

1009
00:49:01,789 --> 00:48:57,389
dimensions it's time to take back the

1010
00:49:05,029 --> 00:49:01,799
night last night now your electrifying

1011
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:05,039
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

1012
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:10,649
Begley and Tim Schwartz right here we

1013
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:13,859
are back at the second hour of exploring

1014
00:49:20,929 --> 00:49:17,880
the bizarre and Tim that was a great

1015
00:49:22,969 --> 00:49:20,939
segment with Scott Corrales I would get

1016
00:49:24,709 --> 00:49:22,979
him on more often because you know he

1017
00:49:31,279 --> 00:49:24,719
just always has so many fascinating

1018
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:31,289
things so but we'll leave this the first

1019
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:33,689
segment buy this and start the second

1020
00:49:41,929 --> 00:49:36,839
one because we're now have dr. Bruce

1021
00:49:43,999 --> 00:49:41,939
credit on the line and Bruce great great

1022
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,009
to have you back with us again it's been

1023
00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:46,559
a while yes it has and I'm glad to be

1024
00:49:52,989 --> 00:49:49,499
back I've enjoyed being on your show

1025
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:52,999
before and hopefully I can provide some

1026
00:49:57,229 --> 00:49:55,649
interesting information a lot has been

1027
00:50:02,469 --> 00:49:57,239
happening in the last couple of years

1028
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:02,479
well I know that this is not the primary

1029
00:50:09,229 --> 00:50:07,619
subject of tonight's show and our

1030
00:50:11,529 --> 00:50:09,239
discussion with you but I know that Tim

1031
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:11,539
Beckley has been chomping at the bit to

1032
00:50:18,429 --> 00:50:16,249
to find out more information about but

1033
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:18,439
recently I guess they came out with a

1034
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:22,169
new documentary I wasn't was it is that

1035
00:50:27,709 --> 00:50:24,569
the hunt for the skinwalker ranch or

1036
00:50:33,429 --> 00:50:27,719
something along those lines and I guess

1037
00:50:36,169 --> 00:50:33,439
that you kind of had a little roundabout

1038
00:50:40,129 --> 00:50:36,179
involvement in the the whole skinwalker

1039
00:50:43,999 --> 00:50:40,139
ranch right I was hired by knits back in

1040
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,009
early 2004 and I was rubbing shoulders

1041
00:50:47,350 --> 00:50:46,079
with all the people that had gone out

1042
00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:47,360
into the field to that

1043
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:51,260
ranch and investigated it so I got a lot

1044
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:55,130
of information that they presented and

1045
00:51:00,280 --> 00:50:58,190
told me shared with me at the time

1046
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,290
and but I've learned actually learned

1047
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:03,280
more since I've been working at needs

1048
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:07,760
from various other people George Knapp

1049
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:10,100
for example has presented a number of

1050
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:14,480
good talks on the skinwalker ranch and

1051
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:16,660
the phenomenon but perhaps the most

1052
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:19,790
incredible encounter counters I've ever

1053
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:26,270
heard or by a Ryan Skinner and his

1054
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:30,640
friend another Ryan who actually

1055
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:34,910
encountered the skinwalker out there in

1056
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:40,250
that area and it was capable of morphing

1057
00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:44,710
and changing into a humanoid form and

1058
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:47,960
when they first found it first

1059
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:52,490
encountered it it was somebody was

1060
00:51:57,580 --> 00:51:55,790
driving along a in a dirt road and saw

1061
00:52:00,220 --> 00:51:57,590
this what appeared to be an Indian

1062
00:52:04,990 --> 00:52:00,230
sitting on the side of the road and

1063
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:05,000
stopped to see if he was okay and and he

1064
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,190
offered him a ride and he got into the

1065
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:10,880
back seat and he said he couldn't he had

1066
00:52:16,570 --> 00:52:13,100
a hood over his head and he couldn't see

1067
00:52:19,090 --> 00:52:16,580
his face but his eyes glowed red as I

1068
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:19,100
recall and he got a little bit concerned

1069
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:22,970
at that particular point and he drove

1070
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:26,690
him for a distance and then was told to

1071
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:28,970
stop and he and in the in the skinwalker

1072
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:33,920
just disappeared and in another case the

1073
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:37,700
two Ryan's were on the cliff over seeing

1074
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:41,570
the ranch and they actually had the the

1075
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:45,020
wolf that was depicted there approached

1076
00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:50,300
them so they saw it firsthand and it it

1077
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:53,480
morphed into what was it appeared to be

1078
00:52:59,920 --> 00:52:57,950
a rabbit and then disappeared so they

1079
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,930
had quite a story they told us on

1080
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:01,280
midnight in the dead

1081
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:04,490
about a month ago and I'd listened to

1082
00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:07,780
that show and I was just blown away by

1083
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:10,340
what the phenomena was because I had

1084
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:12,110
only gotten bits and pieces of

1085
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:15,020
information from people like dr. Cole

1086
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:16,670
and Kelleher at knids

1087
00:53:23,110 --> 00:53:20,210
and Eric Davis who told me some of the

1088
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:23,120
things that had happened did you ever

1089
00:53:29,890 --> 00:53:26,120
make it out to the ranch no I was

1090
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:29,900
actually told that they had were closing

1091
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:33,590
that operation down I did get to see

1092
00:53:39,010 --> 00:53:36,500
videos that they were recording and

1093
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:39,020
continued to record and so I sat on a

1094
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,390
monitor and watched for hours to see if

1095
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:43,910
I could see anything in the videos and I

1096
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:46,520
I saw a strange animal at one point but

1097
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:51,170
I that was the extent of it and but I

1098
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:53,210
had never got to go out to the actual

1099
00:53:57,790 --> 00:53:54,280
ranch No

1100
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:57,800
so what was going on there I mean why a

1101
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:01,760
portal to another dimension a time slip

1102
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:06,370
or what what do you make of it well

1103
00:54:13,210 --> 00:54:10,490
whatever the phenomenon is it it reads

1104
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:13,220
people's minds it knows what is

1105
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:14,780
happening with the people that are

1106
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:18,020
around and can mimic certain things

1107
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:22,090
I mean I'm now telling a story that ryan

1108
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:25,970
told on that radio show about how they

1109
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:30,050
went out into the night they were scared

1110
00:54:34,510 --> 00:54:32,030
driving on Indian reservations they

1111
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:34,520
didn't know if the local police would

1112
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:37,820
stop them and pick them up you know and

1113
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:40,280
question them for being with their

1114
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:43,250
without permission and as they were

1115
00:54:50,590 --> 00:54:48,050
driving along they saw the blue and red

1116
00:54:53,830 --> 00:54:50,600
flashing lights that normally would be

1117
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:53,840
on the top of a police car off in the

1118
00:55:00,820 --> 00:54:57,740
distance so they stopped and where I

1119
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:00,830
think they were at a campsite or a place

1120
00:55:06,910 --> 00:55:03,560
where they were planning on camping and

1121
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:06,920
the lights just kept on blinking off in

1122
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:09,500
the distance and they were wondering

1123
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:11,810
what in the world why aren't they coming

1124
00:55:17,590 --> 00:55:13,290
over

1125
00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:17,600
and encountering the Ryan's and they

1126
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:22,470
decided to go out to see investigate and

1127
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:24,450
then the lights started coming towards

1128
00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:27,810
them and before it they got to them it

1129
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:30,120
the lights just disappeared and there

1130
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:33,810
wasn't anything so the the fear that

1131
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:38,160
they had of seeing a police car what

1132
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,200
seems to been manifested by that

1133
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:42,180
phenomenon which I find to be

1134
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,230
fascinating and there's a lot of new

1135
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,920
interest being taken seriously about the

1136
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,420
paranormal phenomenon the

1137
00:55:59,180 --> 00:55:54,420
interdimensional phenomenon and I've

1138
00:56:02,840 --> 00:55:59,190
seen images of entities coming through

1139
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:02,850
portals in near Wanaque New Jersey that

1140
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:07,050
were taken by Brian Williams known as

1141
00:56:15,860 --> 00:56:10,950
sargol 18 and Tommy Sena see I was there

1142
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,870
in the field with them and saw them

1143
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,240
doing all of this work there and the

1144
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:20,160
results they were getting on there with

1145
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:23,990
their cameras and it was quite amazing

1146
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:27,120
that they had actually identified a

1147
00:56:34,310 --> 00:56:31,650
portal where entities from another

1148
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:34,320
dimension would be coming into our world

1149
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:36,420
and they could photograph them with a

1150
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:44,520
flash at night now let's go back what is

1151
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:47,870
your your your background you do have a

1152
00:56:53,090 --> 00:56:50,370
academic and scientific credentials oh

1153
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:53,100
yeah quite a few 13 years of college

1154
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:54,630
three degrees

1155
00:57:01,310 --> 00:56:57,810
you know bachelor's master's in in

1156
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:01,320
botany and PhD in geology and and botany

1157
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:07,610
and from Penn State University and I

1158
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:12,540
started out in the oil industry and some

1159
00:57:20,540 --> 00:57:14,850
very unusual things began happening to

1160
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:20,550
me in 1980 1981 up until that time to

1161
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:22,740
put it into a time frame I graduated

1162
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:26,010
from Penn State in 1977 went to work in

1163
00:57:31,070 --> 00:57:27,180
Houston

1164
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:31,080
and by 1980-81

1165
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:34,020
I was on my own forming my own oil

1166
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:36,630
company and we were going to be drilling

1167
00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:40,890
in Virginia and ended up at the will

1168
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:44,040
site being abducted right in front of my

1169
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:48,570
entire drill crew anyway yes and there's

1170
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:51,990
a whole website on that and that was I

1171
00:57:59,540 --> 00:57:55,110
at that time I didn't know anything

1172
00:58:06,830 --> 00:57:59,550
about UFOs I thought I had never seen

1173
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:06,840
any and I was a part my company

1174
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:09,510
Gemini L was a partnership with Cornell

1175
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,390
oil out of Dallas and we were drilling a

1176
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:14,760
couple deep wells in the richmond basin

1177
00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:19,170
outside of Richmond Virginia and I came

1178
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,340
to work one day and there was this the

1179
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,440
crew was all excited because they have

1180
00:58:31,310 --> 00:58:28,440
you know eight-hour towers they call

1181
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:31,320
them or shifts three eight-hour shifts

1182
00:58:37,460 --> 00:58:34,590
and the night shift had reported to the

1183
00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:37,470
morning shift that a UFO had come and

1184
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:40,320
and hovered over the cut forest cut

1185
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:43,410
field next to the well site and they all

1186
00:58:49,390 --> 00:58:46,770
had stopped and and watched it and and I

1187
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:49,400
said well boy maybe it might come back

1188
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:53,430
again tonight so I put in my normal 12

1189
00:58:58,310 --> 00:58:55,770
hours and I was getting really tired and

1190
00:59:00,110 --> 00:58:58,320
I told my mud logging crew that I'm

1191
00:59:04,310 --> 00:59:00,120
going into the back of the mud logging

1192
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,320
trailer to take a nap and if the UFO

1193
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:06,480
comes back please come and get me and

1194
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,900
they said oh sure we'll come and get you

1195
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:13,200
I went to sleep and I was rudely

1196
00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:16,350
awakened by these three beings that were

1197
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:19,590
floating over me and one took a rod and

1198
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:22,170
touched it to my head and I felt this

1199
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:25,170
energy go through me and they 11 me and

1200
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:26,970
passed me through the wall of the

1201
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:29,640
trailer and that freaked me out and I

1202
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:31,950
don't remember anything after that I had

1203
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:34,170
to go through a regressive hypnosis to

1204
00:59:39,550 --> 00:59:37,110
recover the actual abduction but after I

1205
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:39,560
was brought back I was brought back

1206
00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:41,010
hypothermic

1207
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:43,560
which means the inside of that craft was

1208
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:45,030
like a for inside of a walk-in

1209
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:48,359
refrigerator and I would my joints ache

1210
00:59:54,580 --> 00:59:50,820
and and and different parts of my body

1211
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,590
ached and I stumbled out of the bunk and

1212
01:00:00,080 --> 00:59:57,119
went into the front of the trailer and

1213
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:00,090
nobody was there now this is a 24/7

1214
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:03,930
drilling operation so I went to the door

1215
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:05,660
of the trailer and I looked out to see

1216
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:08,310
what was going on and nobody was at the

1217
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,330
drilling rig the drilling a pipe was

1218
01:00:18,050 --> 01:00:14,880
just turning very slowly and so they

1219
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,060
weren't drilling said what the heck you

1220
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:20,640
know and where is everybody and I looked

1221
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:23,310
around the corner of the of the trailer

1222
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,800
and here everybody all the drill crew

1223
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:27,420
and the mud logging crew was standing

1224
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:29,160
together looking up into the sky and

1225
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,650
here was this UFO and this moment I saw

1226
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:34,200
it it was all lit up with multicolored

1227
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,420
lights it just took off and then they

1228
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:39,359
the drill crew started coming back to

1229
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,160
their stations and the mud logging crew

1230
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:42,720
came back and I said well what were you

1231
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:44,670
doing out there he says we're watching

1232
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:47,730
the UFO and I said well why didn't you

1233
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:50,850
come and get me and they said we did but

1234
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:55,140
you weren't there and so I took a wreck

1235
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:57,330
by the hand and I let him back to the to

1236
01:01:01,040 --> 01:00:58,920
the bunk where I was sleeping I said did

1237
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:01,050
you look in this bunk and he said yes

1238
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:04,770
but you weren't there and so I was

1239
01:01:11,570 --> 01:01:06,930
totally confused I was in a lot of pain

1240
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:11,580
and so I just went back to my motel and

1241
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:13,890
went to sleep not knowing what the heck

1242
01:01:19,340 --> 01:01:16,500
had happened the next day they they they

1243
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,350
told me about what they had seen how a

1244
01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:20,880
beam of light came down from the craft

1245
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:23,880
they saw these small beings floating

1246
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:25,710
through the beam into the trailer and

1247
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:28,670
they that they brought out a larger

1248
01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:31,950
person which was me and they saw that

1249
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:36,060
thing me being taken into the craft so

1250
01:01:40,310 --> 01:01:38,910
but I couldn't believe it I mean at that

1251
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:40,320
patina point I'd never had an experience

1252
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:43,170
like this that I remembered consciously

1253
01:01:47,780 --> 01:01:45,930
so I just put it out of my mind even

1254
01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:47,790
though I wrote the information down in

1255
01:01:54,350 --> 01:01:50,460
my log which I have it as evidence that

1256
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:54,360
this really did take place so that

1257
01:02:00,860 --> 01:01:57,450
was the event that took that started my

1258
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:00,870
whole series of events in my life but it

1259
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:05,700
wasn't until 1992 when I weed my family

1260
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:07,350
that I had moved up to Middletown New

1261
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:11,280
York from Houston Texas that things

1262
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:15,000
really got bizarre after my wife died in

1263
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:19,080
1991 I started having contact in the

1264
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:21,270
field around the Pine Bush area of New

1265
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,440
York quite a bit of contact in fact I've

1266
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:27,680
documented over an 11-year period over

1267
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:30,930
140 close encounters with photographs

1268
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:33,480
and videos and and many of them with

1269
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:36,270
multiple witnesses watching what was

1270
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:40,830
going on so well now that was quite a

1271
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:44,220
flap when it was going on in fact I just

1272
01:02:51,830 --> 01:02:47,190
attended the last summer they have a

1273
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:51,840
little alien festival in in Pine Bush

1274
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:56,640
but back in in its day there were a lot

1275
01:03:00,580 --> 01:02:58,530
of people that were traveling even from

1276
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:00,590
Manhattan here to go up there to have

1277
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:02,970
sightings there were different locales

1278
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:05,190
where these things were being seen

1279
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,430
pretty much a regular basis of course

1280
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,000
the main participant was a young lady by

1281
01:03:17,060 --> 01:03:14,640
the name of Ellen notice the Crystal

1282
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:17,070
right yeah yeah who is now unfortunately

1283
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:19,770
a deceased but she went up there with

1284
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:23,130
her camera and you know a people kind of

1285
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:25,170
tried to cool all the events that he

1286
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:27,720
just said oh she's I don't know if they

1287
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:30,150
choose her making it up but you know

1288
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:32,280
these are conventional objects and

1289
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:35,010
people are just misinterpreting them but

1290
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:38,910
she did put out a book very nicely

1291
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:41,010
illustrated and we used the quite a few

1292
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:44,280
of the photographs and a UFO universe

1293
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:46,980
magazine yeah is that how you first

1294
01:03:50,050 --> 01:03:48,930
heard of the flap was through of Ellen

1295
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,060
yes

1296
01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:53,520
actually I saw the miniseries on

1297
01:04:00,280 --> 01:03:57,180
television intruders but Hopkins with a

1298
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,290
foreword I think by John Mac and I

1299
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:02,640
wanted to get a copy of that book so I

1300
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:04,020
went to the local bookstore in

1301
01:04:09,740 --> 01:04:07,230
Middletown New York and the manager

1302
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:09,750
went to the shelf and pulled out a copy

1303
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:11,460
of intruders

1304
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:13,260
he said well you might want to read this

1305
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:15,150
other book which was silent invasion

1306
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:18,119
that Ellen crystal had written and when

1307
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:19,830
I got home I was started reading and I

1308
01:04:24,170 --> 01:04:21,750
say wait a minute this is about the area

1309
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,180
I'm living in it's just right what

1310
01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:25,920
happening all around me in the different

1311
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:29,820
towns and I was shocked and I called

1312
01:04:33,290 --> 01:04:31,710
some of my friends I said do you know

1313
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:33,300
about Ellen Crystal and they said oh

1314
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:34,710
yeah we know about him we've met we've

1315
01:04:41,090 --> 01:04:37,740
met her does anybody have her phone

1316
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,100
number and somebody said well I know

1317
01:04:45,260 --> 01:04:43,200
somebody who does let me get back to you

1318
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:45,270
so I got her phone number and I called

1319
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:48,330
her up and I introduced myself and I

1320
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,980
said I would like to see what's going on

1321
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:50,640
out there

1322
01:04:57,830 --> 01:04:52,560
you know because I was at that time a

1323
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,840
you know a university scientist who and

1324
01:05:04,609 --> 01:05:00,720
and then in universities we were

1325
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:04,619
supposed to talk about or research the

1326
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:13,220
UFO phenomenon and I said that she's a a

1327
01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:16,410
musician and that she gives a little

1328
01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:19,350
information in her book and my last name

1329
01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:23,400
is cornet and a psychologist she lived

1330
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:26,030
next door to Steven Tyler from Aerosmith

1331
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:27,150
Wow

1332
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:30,450
did you know that no in fact in the in

1333
01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:33,570
the magazine a UFO universe we had two

1334
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:36,300
two of them a photograph that's with him

1335
01:05:42,670 --> 01:05:40,130
sitting there chatting together Wow Wow

1336
01:05:45,020 --> 01:05:42,680
well this is good information to have

1337
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:45,030
additional information about what was

1338
01:05:48,050 --> 01:05:46,890
going on but she took me out into the

1339
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:48,060
field and the first night I was out

1340
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:49,890
there the ships were flying around us

1341
01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:54,780
and that hooked me and I I couldn't stop

1342
01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:56,430
going out into the field whenever I

1343
01:06:02,660 --> 01:05:59,940
could after work well now what did the

1344
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:02,670
ships look like most of them were just

1345
01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:05,280
lights we because it was at night they

1346
01:06:09,050 --> 01:06:06,990
were all stealth black but you could

1347
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:09,060
tell get an idea of the shape by the

1348
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:10,740
distribution of the lights on them and

1349
01:06:14,359 --> 01:06:13,130
many of them were triangles are

1350
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:14,369
diamond-shaped

1351
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:18,000
not circular craft although there were

1352
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:20,280
circular craft that were spotted in the

1353
01:06:24,140 --> 01:06:20,760
over the

1354
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:24,150
area the triangles were probably the

1355
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:27,990
most common but the the the

1356
01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,970
diamond-shaped ones I nicknamed the

1357
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:31,740
manta ray because they it looks like a

1358
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:34,680
man ray but it was a long tail on it and

1359
01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:36,780
it could retract the tail and turn into

1360
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:40,320
a triangle and I have quite a few

1361
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:43,740
encounters with that on both on

1362
01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:47,610
videotape and on time exposures and I

1363
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:49,830
have put much of that information on on

1364
01:06:57,740 --> 01:06:52,980
my websites but the thing that is

1365
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:57,750
fascinating about this is that this was

1366
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:00,780
a local phenomenon the military knew

1367
01:07:05,830 --> 01:07:04,110
that this area what was going on in the

1368
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:05,840
area and they were investigating it

1369
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,420
constantly constantly monitoring it I

1370
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:11,520
asked you know well don't you pick

1371
01:07:17,180 --> 01:07:13,740
anything up on radar they said all of

1372
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:17,190
the radar information we get from that

1373
01:07:24,580 --> 01:07:20,460
area is been classified it's been

1374
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:24,590
blocked out so nobody could access it

1375
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:26,820
and I thought this was rather strange

1376
01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:31,530
and people had seen the military people

1377
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:36,320
in the area not too infrequently and

1378
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:39,690
trying to monitor this area activity

1379
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:43,020
that was going on there one of the

1380
01:07:53,030 --> 01:07:49,110
things that I encountered was that the

1381
01:07:59,210 --> 01:07:53,040
c-5 at the Stewart Air Force Base at new

1382
01:08:04,070 --> 01:07:59,220
Burke is a c5 training facility for that

1383
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:04,080
very large cargo area and they would

1384
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:06,510
you'd see them in flying in the night

1385
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:10,230
sky quite a bit and quite frequently

1386
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,050
they would be circling the the areas

1387
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:15,480
where all of this UFO activity was

1388
01:08:25,730 --> 01:08:22,049
taking place and so I tracked one all

1389
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:25,740
the way back to the Stewart Airport and

1390
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:28,230
so I knew that this is what they were

1391
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:30,210
doing they were monitoring what was

1392
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:33,170
going on and and have you heard of

1393
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:35,049
Vincent

1394
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:37,870
who wrote the the Pine Bush phenomenon

1395
01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:42,909
the book he you know I don't he reported

1396
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:45,609
that he and his friends were out in the

1397
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:50,080
field once and the they'd seen one of

1398
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:52,509
these craft and within a matter of

1399
01:08:59,129 --> 01:08:55,480
minutes one of the C Phi's was roaring

1400
01:09:01,709 --> 01:08:59,139
over their heads and tracing it and I

1401
01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:01,719
thought this was rather interesting so

1402
01:09:08,220 --> 01:09:04,569
what is going on here I have actual

1403
01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:08,230
photographs of these ships diving into

1404
01:09:14,099 --> 01:09:11,350
the ground passing through trees D

1405
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:14,109
materializing and there's no question

1406
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:16,449
that they are passing into a and another

1407
01:09:23,939 --> 01:09:20,980
dimension a parallel dimension but who

1408
01:09:25,919 --> 01:09:23,949
are they and I have located at the

1409
01:09:29,129 --> 01:09:25,929
entrances to at least two of their

1410
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:29,139
underground bases and Ellen crystal put

1411
01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:30,850
this information out there in her book

1412
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:34,540
she said she's seen these the ships dive

1413
01:09:40,559 --> 01:09:36,909
into the ground and disappear and she

1414
01:09:44,099 --> 01:09:40,569
said I'm just thinking we have a book

1415
01:09:47,059 --> 01:09:44,109
called the UFO repeaters the camera

1416
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:47,069
doesn't lie and that has a very good

1417
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,239
synopsis of her encounters in there

1418
01:09:56,729 --> 01:09:54,880
because the the book that she wrote is I

1419
01:09:58,620 --> 01:09:56,739
guess you can still find it but it's

1420
01:10:00,360 --> 01:09:58,630
technically out of print I think the

1421
01:10:01,890 --> 01:10:00,370
publisher I don't know whether they ever

1422
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:01,900
published anything else besides your

1423
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:05,980
book but it didn't become very difficult

1424
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:09,370
to find after a after a while I'm sure

1425
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:11,380
you could probably abide you know as a

1426
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:13,960
used book somewhere probably grossly

1427
01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:17,380
overpriced right well it's still

1428
01:10:20,820 --> 01:10:19,270
available for those who are interested

1429
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,830
and there were multiple printings

1430
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:22,719
because even though the cover picture

1431
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:25,330
changed and they didn't rent a version

1432
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:30,130
in Spanish to now she we were talking

1433
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:33,010
about with Scott earlier about how some

1434
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:34,000
of these occupants

1435
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,300
it could be insecticides now I think

1436
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:39,280
that that's what she believes because

1437
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:41,350
some of these photograph when you

1438
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:44,170
analyze them it seemed that they were

1439
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:46,360
standing in the you know in the open

1440
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:48,550
hatchway and they seem to be

1441
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,270
giant praying mantis well some of them

1442
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:54,159
though that one photograph she took of

1443
01:10:59,729 --> 01:10:57,090
the several of them standing in in in

1444
01:11:02,609 --> 01:10:59,739
reflected light of high-energy light

1445
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:02,619
around the craft some of them look very

1446
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:03,940
strange I agree

1447
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:07,690
others look more humanoid so we really

1448
01:11:13,649 --> 01:11:11,530
don't know who these beings are but we

1449
01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:13,659
don't know that they have established a

1450
01:11:18,419 --> 01:11:16,780
underground basis there and my and I

1451
01:11:21,870 --> 01:11:18,429
went out and did a 24 square mile

1452
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:21,880
magnetic survey between 1992 and 95 at

1453
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:24,070
the time I was working for

1454
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,650
lamont-doherty Earth Observatory in

1455
01:11:32,850 --> 01:11:29,679
Palisades New York and I borrowed one of

1456
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:32,860
their proton magnetometers and I would

1457
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:35,530
go out into the field and take readings

1458
01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:39,340
at different stations after work and on

1459
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:41,260
the weekends and it took me three years

1460
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,770
to accumulate a 1800 station's worth of

1461
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:46,960
data and when I put the map together

1462
01:11:54,089 --> 01:11:50,260
from that I was absolutely blown away as

1463
01:11:58,430 --> 01:11:54,099
to what was under the ground there were

1464
01:12:01,470 --> 01:11:58,440
the all of these magnetic anomalies are

1465
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:01,480
representing Bruce I need to interrupt

1466
01:12:06,899 --> 01:12:04,260
you here and will continue your

1467
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:06,909
conversation on exploring the bizarre in

1468
01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:08,450
just a few minutes so stay tuned

1469
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:20,680
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1470
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:23,270
two of the most electrifying researchers

1471
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:26,570
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1472
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:30,710
Lee panting Swartz welcome back to the

1473
01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:32,300
final segment of exploring the bazaar

1474
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:35,660
and our guest dr. Bruce Cornett was

1475
01:12:41,890 --> 01:12:37,910
telling us before we had to go to our

1476
01:12:44,140 --> 01:12:41,900
last break about a little ground

1477
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:44,150
analysis that that he was doing in the

1478
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:46,850
Pine Bush region so uh dr. Cornett

1479
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:50,180
please continue your a story what I

1480
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:53,480
discovered were the magnetic anomalies

1481
01:12:59,170 --> 01:12:56,360
they were what we call dipole anomalies

1482
01:13:02,979 --> 01:12:59,180
usually caused by a high concentration

1483
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:02,989
of iron ore in the ground and these I

1484
01:13:08,410 --> 01:13:05,480
discovered based on my geologic work

1485
01:13:12,459 --> 01:13:08,420
were coming from ancient granitic

1486
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:12,469
islands that were surrounded and and

1487
01:13:22,540 --> 01:13:20,000
buried by ancient sea muds and and these

1488
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:22,550
and I discovered signals coming out of

1489
01:13:29,050 --> 01:13:25,370
the ground over some of these magnetic

1490
01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:29,060
anomalies or ancient islands and it

1491
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,630
would appear that these alien probes had

1492
01:13:38,170 --> 01:13:35,360
landed on some of the islands when they

1493
01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:38,180
we had an ocean at that location and

1494
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:41,870
they remained there on the area sank and

1495
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:44,450
the the islands were covered over by

1496
01:13:48,250 --> 01:13:45,050
muds

1497
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:48,260
than by younger rock and eventually the

1498
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,510
rock the muds were turned to rock and

1499
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:53,600
then the uplift and erosion has brought

1500
01:13:59,020 --> 01:13:56,780
some of these ancient probes very close

1501
01:14:02,410 --> 01:13:59,030
to the surface and I discovered one of

1502
01:14:05,979 --> 01:14:02,420
them between Walden and Pine Bush based

1503
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:05,989
on the readings of the my magnetometer

1504
01:14:12,130 --> 01:14:09,860
and I was actually recording these

1505
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,140
incredible magnetic pulses that are

1506
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:15,440
coming out of the ground and many people

1507
01:14:22,209 --> 01:14:18,550
had seen some strange things about this

1508
01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:22,219
this area and a Jewish cemetery had been

1509
01:14:26,860 --> 01:14:24,230
built on on half of it

1510
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:26,870
and so there were all of these anomalies

1511
01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:30,080
that were associated with the the

1512
01:14:36,729 --> 01:14:33,020
underlying craft which we did the

1513
01:14:40,090 --> 01:14:36,739
History Channel came and did a ground

1514
01:14:42,729 --> 01:14:40,100
penetrating radar survey and we imaged

1515
01:14:45,370 --> 01:14:42,739
it the craft it's only nine feet below

1516
01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:45,380
the surfaces and over over 25 feet and

1517
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:50,230
thickness and it's a Norma's triangle

1518
01:14:57,210 --> 01:14:54,050
565 feet on a side and they're at each

1519
01:15:00,280 --> 01:14:57,220
of the apices of it there are these

1520
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:00,290
beams of magnetic energy that come out

1521
01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:02,930
that are some times stronger than the

1522
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:05,540
entire Earth's magnetic field and these

1523
01:15:13,210 --> 01:15:08,150
pulses go out into space and there's a

1524
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,220
central beam in presumably a signal beam

1525
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:14,960
coming out of the center of this

1526
01:15:22,290 --> 01:15:18,080
triangle and whenever the constellation

1527
01:15:25,150 --> 01:15:22,300
Bootes is overhead the temperatures on

1528
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:25,160
above-ground during the summer are over

1529
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:27,530
this triangle tend to drop significantly

1530
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:30,050
as by as much as ten to fifteen degrees

1531
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:32,810
and during the winter they are elevated

1532
01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:35,540
by that much and snow we've actually

1533
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:39,560
recorded it and pictured it a melting on

1534
01:15:46,150 --> 01:15:43,790
top of this triangle so we know it's

1535
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:46,160
there current we know and it's people

1536
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:48,110
who have said that they felt the ground

1537
01:15:54,430 --> 01:15:52,730
humming at different times and I with a

1538
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:54,440
Geiger counter I've determined that it

1539
01:16:01,060 --> 01:15:57,620
is definitely nuclear-powered so it is

1540
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:01,070
been there functioning for the last 400

1541
01:16:08,290 --> 01:16:06,410
million years back when some alien from

1542
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:08,300
an ancient civilization that may no

1543
01:16:17,170 --> 01:16:12,800
longer exist came to earth looking for

1544
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:17,180
probably a rare earth elements and they

1545
01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:20,330
their probes remain there and then

1546
01:16:26,530 --> 01:16:24,230
became entombed in rock and now some of

1547
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:26,540
them are very close to the surface and I

1548
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,420
found evidence during my magnetic survey

1549
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:32,080
that there are at least three of them

1550
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:35,630
sending signals out into space oh and

1551
01:16:41,140 --> 01:16:38,209
what what frequencies are

1552
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:41,150
are they broadcasting well the the

1553
01:16:48,330 --> 01:16:45,010
magnetic pulses are measured in gammas

1554
01:16:52,299 --> 01:16:48,340
the Earth's magnetic field is around

1555
01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:52,309
35,000 gammas and you these pulses were

1556
01:16:58,449 --> 01:16:55,369
normally about 11,000 gammas and

1557
01:17:03,040 --> 01:16:58,459
sometimes went up well over 40,000

1558
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:03,050
gammas and there were narrow beams maybe

1559
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:06,530
no more than 2 feet in diameter but you

1560
01:17:12,129 --> 01:17:09,530
know it's sort of it's sobering to think

1561
01:17:14,739 --> 01:17:12,139
that I was sticking my hand in these

1562
01:17:18,069 --> 01:17:14,749
beams when I was taking measurements of

1563
01:17:19,989 --> 01:17:18,079
them with the magnetometer you'd think

1564
01:17:25,929 --> 01:17:19,999
that maybe my hand would be have been

1565
01:17:28,209 --> 01:17:25,939
fried or injured also plants we thought

1566
01:17:30,580 --> 01:17:28,219
look saw the energy coming out of ground

1567
01:17:32,589 --> 01:17:30,590
and they mistook it for the Sun so a lot

1568
01:17:35,469 --> 01:17:32,599
of herbaceous plants that there as they

1569
01:17:38,830 --> 01:17:35,479
are growing very rapidly would be

1570
01:17:41,229 --> 01:17:38,840
growing towards these beams and bending

1571
01:17:45,429 --> 01:17:41,239
towards the beams and that was pretty

1572
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:45,439
freaky too so that there really is a

1573
01:17:49,390 --> 01:17:47,689
craft there and the military knows about

1574
01:17:51,969 --> 01:17:49,400
it thanks to my putting this information

1575
01:17:54,699 --> 01:17:51,979
on my website and people are seeing

1576
01:17:58,089 --> 01:17:54,709
caravans come out there and military men

1577
01:18:00,879 --> 01:17:58,099
in military outfits go into the cemetery

1578
01:18:03,069 --> 01:18:00,889
in area and dig holes and put probably

1579
01:18:07,390 --> 01:18:03,079
sensing devices in there and and then

1580
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,400
leave but nobody you can't that this

1581
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:09,920
whatever this object is is way too big

1582
01:18:16,810 --> 01:18:13,610
for you know recovery by the military

1583
01:18:19,959 --> 01:18:16,820
the but at best even it's about the size

1584
01:18:24,069 --> 01:18:19,969
of two football fields or of a football

1585
01:18:25,540 --> 01:18:24,079
stadium and you know they can't very

1586
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:25,550
well hide that if they dug it up they

1587
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:28,729
can build a huge hangar over it and and

1588
01:18:33,569 --> 01:18:31,130
but then that's just saying telling

1589
01:18:39,060 --> 01:18:33,579
everybody look what we have you know

1590
01:18:42,069 --> 01:18:39,070
well now is it in a is it in a cave or

1591
01:18:44,109 --> 01:18:42,079
where exactly you say underground but

1592
01:18:47,290 --> 01:18:44,119
that it's it's an internal within it

1593
01:18:50,259 --> 01:18:47,300
it's entombed within black shale the

1594
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:50,269
black shale was mud at the time that can

1595
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:51,590
Buble Lee Barry

1596
01:18:58,450 --> 01:18:55,910
with overtime and then with more a mud

1597
01:19:02,410 --> 01:18:58,460
and rock on top of it it was turned into

1598
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:02,420
a solid black shale so that the craft is

1599
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:06,170
encased within black shale it's all

1600
01:19:12,430 --> 01:19:08,990
encased within cement basically well you

1601
01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:12,440
know there may be other other craft like

1602
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:15,800
this in other parts of the the world in

1603
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:18,440
fact we've had Ted Phillips on the the

1604
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:20,450
show I don't know if you're I know him

1605
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:23,630
or not he he worked with dr. Hynek for

1606
01:19:31,210 --> 01:19:27,050
many many years he's best known for his

1607
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:31,220
physical trace cases and he was he's

1608
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:33,350
involved with a gentleman and while they

1609
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:38,930
were going to explore this cave and Tim

1610
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:44,330
was at chess lavake or hungry hmm yes

1611
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:46,760
one of those countries my first thought

1612
01:19:52,690 --> 01:19:49,250
was Poland but I think actually your I

1613
01:19:55,570 --> 01:19:52,700
think it was hungry yes and underground

1614
01:19:58,840 --> 01:19:55,580
they they they they know there's a

1615
01:20:04,620 --> 01:19:58,850
device of some kind but they they can't

1616
01:20:08,530 --> 01:20:04,630
get to it now ted has the the like the

1617
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:08,540
maps of where this object is located but

1618
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:12,880
it would take a team of very seasoned

1619
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:18,830
explorers and Cave spelunkers or or what

1620
01:20:25,150 --> 01:20:21,710
have you to to to get there to it and

1621
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:25,160
part of the cavern wall I think has

1622
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:26,870
covered it up it's kind of like you know

1623
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:30,320
moved over the course of the half

1624
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:32,810
million years or something like that but

1625
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:35,690
take it they can still hear it but now

1626
01:20:40,570 --> 01:20:38,570
it's at Ted wanted to go there many he's

1627
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:40,580
talking about going there many many

1628
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:43,490
times over the years but like all of us

1629
01:20:49,570 --> 01:20:45,770
he's getting up there in in the years

1630
01:20:52,270 --> 01:20:49,580
and I think a little bit of bad health

1631
01:20:54,970 --> 01:20:52,280
hasn't helped him and so I don't know if

1632
01:20:57,370 --> 01:20:54,980
he's ever going to turn this a project

1633
01:21:01,450 --> 01:20:57,380
over to anybody else or not which is a

1634
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:01,460
shame because it seems like it way might

1635
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:04,340
lead to some very startling up findings

1636
01:21:08,350 --> 01:21:05,450
that them I I know

1637
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:08,360
I was very impressed by his research

1638
01:21:17,470 --> 01:21:13,790
into this a question Bruce Senate that

1639
01:21:21,370 --> 01:21:17,480
that occurs to me is are these buried

1640
01:21:26,140 --> 01:21:21,380
craft responsible for these areas

1641
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,150
becoming portal areas or were they

1642
01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:28,610
attracted and landed there to begin with

1643
01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:30,920
because they were portal areas I don't

1644
01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:33,740
know I would suspect they were there for

1645
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:35,960
mining purposes because these granitic

1646
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:38,690
Islands have been mined in Franklin New

1647
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:41,690
Jersey and they're just loaded with all

1648
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:44,450
types of rare earth elements that are

1649
01:21:51,190 --> 01:21:49,190
very valuable and so and these Granite's

1650
01:21:54,990 --> 01:21:51,200
formed very early in the Earth's history

1651
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:55,000
when you would have a lot very little

1652
01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:58,400
differentiation of all of the startups

1653
01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:00,530
that went into making earth so you would

1654
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:03,350
have a mixture of many different kinds

1655
01:22:09,070 --> 01:22:06,560
of elements so that's my assumption that

1656
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:09,080
they came here looking for these rare

1657
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:13,940
earths and now these areas have become

1658
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:21,100
literally signal beacons out into space

1659
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:25,130
you could call them the each one being

1660
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:31,250
like a microwave dish sending signals

1661
01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:34,490
that are attracting other craft to the

1662
01:22:42,730 --> 01:22:39,230
area as far as their portals there is a

1663
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:42,740
portal just west of the downtown Pine

1664
01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:46,880
Bush that has been documented and all

1665
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:49,460
sorts of strange things time warps occur

1666
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,730
there so you may be correct that the

1667
01:22:58,210 --> 01:22:55,280
there's some correlation between these

1668
01:23:01,240 --> 01:22:58,220
areas and yet we're finding out with

1669
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:01,250
more and more study that there are

1670
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:03,710
portals all over the place and people

1671
01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:06,650
just don't realize it and if some seem

1672
01:23:09,730 --> 01:23:08,750
to be more active than others yes

1673
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:09,740
absolutely

1674
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:12,890
like the Wanaque one that was being

1675
01:23:19,330 --> 01:23:18,020
studied back in the late 90s that Brian

1676
01:23:22,570 --> 01:23:19,340
Williams has put a

1677
01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:22,580
this information out on YouTube for

1678
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:24,980
those who are interested they just have

1679
01:23:29,709 --> 01:23:27,380
to you know Google wanna queue New

1680
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:29,719
Jersey and you know pull up his

1681
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:35,330
information and he has documented that

1682
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:38,090
this is not just the local Wanaque where

1683
01:23:45,310 --> 01:23:41,980
this is happening but it's over a large

1684
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:45,320
trapezoid area that covers goes all the

1685
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:50,530
way from Montauk on Long Island across

1686
01:24:04,419 --> 01:23:57,679
1rq Southern Pennsylvania and then a

1687
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:04,429
West to Pine Bush so we have a lot of

1688
01:24:12,609 --> 01:24:07,250
stuff going on there that people just

1689
01:24:15,220 --> 01:24:12,619
don't realize is happening I can't

1690
01:24:19,839 --> 01:24:15,230
remember who pointed this out one time

1691
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:19,849
but it was suggested that you know as

1692
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:25,190
the earth as the Earth rotates around

1693
01:24:30,669 --> 01:24:27,230
the Sun as the Sun rotates around the

1694
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:30,679
galaxy and you know as the galaxy goes

1695
01:24:39,220 --> 01:24:33,650
about its business that we're constantly

1696
01:24:43,060 --> 01:24:39,230
entering a new energized areas in space

1697
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:43,070
and that could explain why there are

1698
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,610
certain portal areas that will be active

1699
01:24:50,740 --> 01:24:49,040
for a while and then they'll just kind

1700
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,750
of fade away and new ones will pop up

1701
01:24:54,459 --> 01:24:52,159
you know they're being you know

1702
01:24:57,820 --> 01:24:54,469
energized by you know these these

1703
01:24:59,890 --> 01:24:57,830
different regions in space and they

1704
01:25:04,930 --> 01:24:59,900
don't makes me wonder you know also if

1705
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:04,940
this may be why and as you and you know

1706
01:25:10,930 --> 01:25:06,530
typically you know well know you know

1707
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:10,940
back in the 50s and early 60s you had

1708
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:14,409
kind of a almost a different groups of

1709
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,320
aliens seen running around or you know

1710
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:20,000
alter terrestrials whatever you want to

1711
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:23,449
call them then we have now you know it

1712
01:25:29,379 --> 01:25:26,330
seems like that a new door or you know

1713
01:25:31,330 --> 01:25:29,389
doors open and close new ones appear and

1714
01:25:35,050 --> 01:25:31,340
different groups

1715
01:25:38,290 --> 01:25:35,060
seemed to infiltrate onto the planet

1716
01:25:40,959 --> 01:25:38,300
also I think that the there are a lot

1717
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:40,969
more groups here than there were in the

1718
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:43,969
past and that they have divided the area

1719
01:25:49,149 --> 01:25:46,639
into territories the reason I say that

1720
01:25:52,569 --> 01:25:49,159
is that I've encountered at least four

1721
01:25:55,419 --> 01:25:52,579
different types of ETS and they each are

1722
01:25:57,250 --> 01:25:55,429
found only in a certain area the ones

1723
01:25:59,140 --> 01:25:57,260
down of Virginia are different from the

1724
01:26:02,169 --> 01:25:59,150
ones in Connecticut that are different

1725
01:26:04,839 --> 01:26:02,179
from the ones in New York for example so

1726
01:26:08,669 --> 01:26:04,849
you this may foot go along with what

1727
01:26:11,410 --> 01:26:08,679
you're saying that there are different

1728
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:11,420
portals associated with different areas

1729
01:26:18,189 --> 01:26:14,090
or they could just simply have decided

1730
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:18,199
to you know carve out the earth into

1731
01:26:25,780 --> 01:26:22,730
different operational regions what about

1732
01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:25,790
the the the woman that you met in

1733
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:29,239
Amsterdam in 1963 that's a pretty

1734
01:26:37,149 --> 01:26:34,310
fascinating story yeah and I let me yeah

1735
01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:37,159
this was with my French class after

1736
01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:39,800
graduation from high school we went over

1737
01:26:45,879 --> 01:26:41,869
to France spent most of the summer in

1738
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:45,889
the city of con on the Riviera which was

1739
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:49,130
extraordinary for a 17-year old to go on

1740
01:26:54,819 --> 01:26:52,310
see all of the coastal areas along the

1741
01:26:57,609 --> 01:26:54,829
Mediterranean and on the way back home

1742
01:27:02,740 --> 01:26:57,619
we stopped in Paris and then we stopped

1743
01:27:05,530 --> 01:27:02,750
at Amsterdam and at Amsterdam we stayed

1744
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:05,540
in the American hotel just down the

1745
01:27:11,109 --> 01:27:08,329
street from the house where Anna Frank

1746
01:27:11,620 --> 01:27:11,119
had lived of that story during World War

1747
01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:11,630
two

1748
01:27:19,209 --> 01:27:17,510
and a group of us guys decided that we

1749
01:27:23,140 --> 01:27:19,219
were gonna meet in the lobby in the

1750
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:23,150
morning and and decide which tourist

1751
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:26,810
attractions we would go see so we went

1752
01:27:34,569 --> 01:27:30,040
down there and then met in the lobby and

1753
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:34,579
as I was standing there I noticed this

1754
01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:37,280
woman standing off to the side and what

1755
01:27:42,729 --> 01:27:39,860
I made eye contact with her she came

1756
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:42,739
over and she introduced herself she says

1757
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:44,970
hi I'm Maya what are you

1758
01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:47,280
and I said we're planning on going out

1759
01:27:54,230 --> 01:27:51,420
to to to the different tourist

1760
01:27:58,970 --> 01:27:54,240
attractions in the city and she said

1761
01:28:01,280 --> 01:27:58,980
would I would like to be your guide if

1762
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:01,290
you would be willing I will I will show

1763
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,290
you the city and I said well she's a lot

1764
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:06,780
more attractive than these guys are so I

1765
01:28:12,860 --> 01:28:09,810
took her up on that offer and for three

1766
01:28:14,810 --> 01:28:12,870
days we would meet in the at the front

1767
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:14,820
of the lobby and she would we would go

1768
01:28:20,570 --> 01:28:18,390
to different tourist attractions and she

1769
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,580
was asking you all sorts of questions we

1770
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:22,800
talked about many different subjects we

1771
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:26,550
even talked about space travel and on

1772
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:30,090
the third day she wanted to introduce me

1773
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:33,330
to her friend Lyra so we went back to

1774
01:28:42,380 --> 01:28:37,050
the zoo and I met Lyra and then we went

1775
01:28:45,290 --> 01:28:42,390
about our way and part of the the plans

1776
01:28:51,950 --> 01:28:45,300
for the French class group was to go to

1777
01:28:54,980 --> 01:28:51,960
this a winery then in so we Maya came

1778
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:54,990
with me and we went out there and I

1779
01:28:59,300 --> 01:28:56,730
asked her if I could take get a picture

1780
01:29:01,970 --> 01:28:59,310
of her and she said no she didn't want a

1781
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:01,980
picture of her being taken but when we

1782
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:05,850
were at that winery I had a my picture

1783
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:07,910
taken and she was in the background and

1784
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:14,400
so I have a picture of her and I I this

1785
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,420
just was filed away in my memory I'm no

1786
01:29:25,850 --> 01:29:21,480
no big deal at the last day when I took

1787
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:25,860
her back to her her room I I asked if we

1788
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:28,440
could communicate and we write to each

1789
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:30,060
other and she said no that will not be

1790
01:29:32,990 --> 01:29:30,570
possible

1791
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:33,000
I said why and she says I don't live

1792
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:37,770
here and she knew Amsterdam so well that

1793
01:29:42,980 --> 01:29:39,870
I was rather surprised I thought she

1794
01:29:47,060 --> 01:29:42,990
lived there and she was she only had her

1795
01:29:47,930 --> 01:29:47,070
friend Lyra with her and so I said where

1796
01:29:50,210 --> 01:29:47,940
do you live

1797
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:50,220
she says in the mountains and I said

1798
01:29:56,030 --> 01:29:52,290
what mountains she says the Andes

1799
01:29:58,030 --> 01:29:56,040
Mountains and I said Wow

1800
01:30:00,680 --> 01:29:58,040
you know she lives in South America and

1801
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:00,690
she's all the way over here and that

1802
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:04,130
that puzzled me it wasn't until I read

1803
01:30:10,430 --> 01:30:07,860
dr. Karla Turner's book masquerade of

1804
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:10,440
angels which is about the Ted Wright

1805
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:14,490
story who a year before I met Maya and

1806
01:30:21,230 --> 01:30:18,000
Lera he met them at the Sun Valley ski

1807
01:30:24,050 --> 01:30:21,240
resort in in Idaho during the summer

1808
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:24,060
they had a summer job there he was in

1809
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:28,770
high school as well and every he met

1810
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:31,650
Maya and they would go on walks and they

1811
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:34,170
would talk and then occasionally alehrer

1812
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:40,410
would show up and this you know he tried

1813
01:30:43,970 --> 01:30:42,510
to get to find out more information

1814
01:30:46,490 --> 01:30:43,980
about her who she was

1815
01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:46,500
and the only thing she would say is that

1816
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:48,120
I live in the mountains so what

1817
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:50,970
mountains the Andes Mountains and that's

1818
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:53,010
the most that she would ever talk about

1819
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:55,010
where she came from

1820
01:31:02,510 --> 01:30:58,170
but on the last day something very

1821
01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:02,520
different happened and she was Ted was

1822
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:08,520
regressed hypnotically to find out what

1823
01:31:15,230 --> 01:31:12,410
that what happened on that last day and

1824
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:15,240
Maya and lyric came and picked him up

1825
01:31:22,130 --> 01:31:19,050
and they walked out into the mountains

1826
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:22,140
and climbed up into a box canyon in a

1827
01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:25,950
mountain and there was a an alien craft

1828
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:28,860
and they boarded the craft and they took

1829
01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:31,860
him to their underground cave in the

1830
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:34,980
Andes Mountains now what is important

1831
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:40,110
about this story is that they showed him

1832
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:42,570
not only where they lived underground

1833
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:46,770
but they also showed him how they grew a

1834
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:49,980
human clones and they showed as they

1835
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:52,380
said that when one of our bodies wears

1836
01:31:59,180 --> 01:31:55,020
out we switch our consciousness to a new

1837
01:32:04,190 --> 01:31:59,190
clone and so the implication is that

1838
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:04,200
Mayan lair are clones and they said well

1839
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:06,840
he didn't believe it at first he says

1840
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:09,810
well let's here lie down on this table

1841
01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:13,800
to this other clone and we'll transfer

1842
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,960
you your consciousness into it and we'll

1843
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:18,000
prove to you that this works and they

1844
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,010
did and he was freaked out when he woke

1845
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:22,800
up or became conscious again he was in a

1846
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:25,770
woman's body and he asked them will

1847
01:32:29,570 --> 01:32:27,690
please take put me back in my original

1848
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:29,580
body which they did and then they took

1849
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:33,030
him back to the ski resort and that's

1850
01:32:39,260 --> 01:32:34,980
what they recovered from the hypnotic

1851
01:32:43,810 --> 01:32:39,270
regression so they apparently have found

1852
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:43,820
a way to have eternal life here on earth

1853
01:32:51,970 --> 01:32:48,690
by growing clones of themselves and just

1854
01:32:56,050 --> 01:32:51,980
switching vessels whenever one wears out

1855
01:32:59,840 --> 01:32:56,060
so why do you think that they they

1856
01:33:03,530 --> 01:32:59,850
communicated with you they one of the

1857
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:03,540
things that they also found out or Ted

1858
01:33:10,850 --> 01:33:07,380
from interviewing Ted is that Maya

1859
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:10,860
showed Ted a photo album and it had

1860
01:33:15,290 --> 01:33:12,780
pictures of all the people that she had

1861
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:15,300
interviewed that was one of the things

1862
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:17,310
that she was doing one of her jobs or

1863
01:33:23,210 --> 01:33:19,110
assignments was to interview different

1864
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:23,220
people that they had chosen for various

1865
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:26,400
reasons to follow and to in throughout

1866
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:32,490
their life and even though I in 1992 saw

1867
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:35,450
my what I consciously saw my first UFOs

1868
01:33:42,020 --> 01:33:39,570
I did not realize until that time until

1869
01:33:45,170 --> 01:33:42,030
my memory started coming back that I am

1870
01:33:48,650 --> 01:33:45,180
an abductee from childhood so I have all

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through my childhood been and had these

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encounters and that my mind was memory

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of them has been blocked until that time

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all right well unfortunately we are

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going to have to leave it at that

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because we are almost at the end of the

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program and I want to give you a chance

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to let our listeners know where they can

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find you online and any upcoming

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projects that you're working on okay

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they can contact me at the Coronet Bruce

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at yahoo.com

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and also they can go to my website which

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is that the mamma's internet location

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and it's well we've we've got we've got

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links to your website's pages dot mamas

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yeah dot-com and the tilde Bruce Cornett

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our B cornet and and they can get to my

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different webpages through that link and

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you have some YouTube videos up to

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alright

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yes I do they just ya know do a search

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of Google for Bruce Cornett on YouTube

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very very interesting videos and and

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again we should remind people if they

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want a pretty lengthy synopsis of the

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Pine Bush sightings they can obtain our

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book a UFO repeaters the camera does not

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lie and earlier tonight we we talked

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about alien bloodlust and Tim we've got

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a very big special going on at

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conspiracy journal dot-com with three of

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the books at a very special price

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that's totally insane it's like we've

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resurrected crazy Eddie yeah that's

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right we got three special books for you

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or for only forty nine ninety five right

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here at crazy Tim's what a wonderful

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show this was I think we we learned we

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learned a lot and also to the the vibes

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were just right with our two guests this

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evening and that's why we host exploring

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the bizarre and I think I don't know how

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many episode I would know how many

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episodes we have but anyway I want to

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thank everybody at inna the producer and

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peter bernard and helen and carol of

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course and everybody who makes this show

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possible especially our wonderful guests

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and thank you for having me

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you betcha you've been listening to

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exploring the bazaar with hosts Timothy

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Beckley and T Swartz they're taking back

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the night by jetting non-stop across the

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cosmos

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in search of the truly bizarre and

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totally unexplained with you as their

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Commons

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital

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rating

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for more information on exploring the

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bazaars and hosts Timothy Beckley and

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Tim Swartz check out their kco our

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digital radio network follow their